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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>I have examined the problem described below more closely and found that unfortunately it seems tob e gmsh’s fault: There are tetrahedra with all 3 nodes having the same x coordinate, which seems obviously erroneous. </div>
<div>To reproduce just mesh the geo file in the attachment, with everything set to default.</div>
<div>I cannot tell exactly which elements are degenerate since Elmer renumbers everything. However, problematic coordinates seem to be (extract from Elmer’s error messages which give the coordinates of 3 nodes of problematic tetrahedra):</div>
<div>ERROR:: ElementMetric: Degenerate 3D element: 176234</div>
<div>DetG:-0.557E-18</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 1 Coord: -1.40 2.15 3.50</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 2 Coord: -1.40 2.15 4.00</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 3 Coord: -1.40 1.66 3.75</div>
<div>ERROR:: ElementMetric: Degenerate 3D element: 176887</div>
<div>ElementMetric: DetG:-0.274E-18</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 1 Coord: -1.40 1.67 7.75</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 2 Coord: -1.40 2.15 7.50</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 3 Coord: -1.40 1.80 7.25</div>
<div>ERROR:: ElementMetric: Degenerate 3D element: 177378</div>
<div>ElementMetric: DetG:-0.963E-19</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 1 Coord: -1.40 2.15 9.50</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 2 Coord: -1.40 2.15 10.0</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 3 Coord: -1.40 1.67 9.75</div>
<div>ERROR:: ElementMetric: Degenerate 3D element: 179163</div>
<div>ElementMetric: DetG:-0.194E-17</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 1 Coord:-0.900 1.80 4.25</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 2 Coord:-0.900 2.15 4.00</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 3 Coord:-0.900 1.67 3.75</div>
<div>ERROR:: ElementMetric: Degenerate 3D element: 179367</div>
<div>ElementMetric: DetG:-0.654E-19</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 1 Coord:-0.900 2.15 10.0</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 2 Coord:-0.900 1.67 9.75</div>
<div>ElementMetric: Dir: 3 Coord:-0.900 1.80 10.3</div>
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<div>I have tried to track down the first element (number 176234 above) in the msh file generated by gmsh, compared to the one written out by Elmergrid (which for debugging and mesh inspection purposes can write gmsh format since some time). I find all 4 nodes
of the tetrahedron with x coordinate equal to -1.4 in the file written by Elmergrid. In the original msh file generated by gmsh, 3 nodes have x coordinate -1.4 and the 4<font size="1"><span style="font-size:7.3pt;"><sup>th</sup></span></font> one has -1.399999999999556.
I would consider this a VERY flat tetrahedron, and the height in x direction is by far smaller than the characteristic lengths I have set in the geo file. I suspect that Elmer will interpret the x coordinate as being equal due to rounding.</div>
<div>I doesn’t help if I set the Min Element Size to the smallest characteristic length in Tools-Options-Mesh-General. </div>
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<div>It is not the first time that I have this problem. In the past, it mysteriously went away sometimes after remeshing, sometimes after coarsening the characteristic lengths a bit. But this time, it won’t.</div>
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<div>I consider this, if not a bug, then at least a problematic feature in gmsh.</div>
<div>At the moment I cannot do a certain simulation due to this problem.</div>
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<div>I would very much appreciate if someone knowledgeable could have a look on this case and fix it or state how to avoid this kind of problems. </div>
<div>BTW I have used gmsh 2.6.2-svn, downloaded 31.01.2013, under Windows XP.</div>
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<div>Thank you,</div>
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<div>Matthias</div>
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<b>Von:</b> Zenker, Dr. Matthias <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 26. Februar 2013 16:26<br>
<b>An:</b> gmsh@geuz.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Christophe Geuzaine [cgeuzaine@ulg.ac.be] (cgeuzaine@ulg.ac.be)<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> gmsh mesh gives "Degenerate 3D element" error in Elmer</span></font></div>
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<div style="padding-left:35.4pt;">Hi,</div>
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<div style="padding-left:35.4pt;">I have a problem with a 3D mesh generated by gmsh: I get a Degenerate 3D element" error when I use this mesh with the Elmer FEM software. The mesh is produced when I mesh the attached geo file , just using the default settings
in gmsh (2.6.2-svn, Windows XP). </div>
<div style="padding-left:35.4pt;">My questions are:</div>
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<li>How can I find out if there are degenerate elements? Is there a way to check the mesh quality in gmsh?</li><li>What can I do to avoid degenerate elements?</li></ol>
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<div style="padding-left:35.4pt;">Thank you for helpful hints,</div>
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<div style="padding-left:35.4pt;">Matthias</div>
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<div style="padding-left:35.4pt;"> < Datei: test.geo >> </div>
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